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2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374
2. Allach Fakes # 374

2. Allach Fakes # 374

Allach porcelain has always been a good hobby but with very little in the way of reference material. The one most recognized publication has been the Passmore /Oliver book which listed something like five different marks. One of those marks shown is found on only one piece. If you add in a couple deviations and the early baroque style you probably have about eight in all. They are as follows:

  1. Baroque with green runes
  2. Octagon with green runes and the word Ullach
  3. Octagon with green runes and without the word Ullach
  4. Octagon with impressed runes and the word Ullach
  5. Octagon with impressed runes without the word Ullach
  6. Impressed runes without the octagon
  7. Impressed runes without octagon and the word Ullach
  8. A piece which bears variant black runes and attributed to a plate
Although this book is limited in information it has no doubt saved many people money on bad pieces, and at the same time hindered fakers; and it may have blown up a deal on a legitimate piece for that matter. But it is this textbook that is still the guide for the Allach collector when it comes to markings and information.

Allach in the last ten years has gathered a lot of attention, men buy it to display, or for their wives; the internet has paved the way for these pieces to come to the forefront as a valued and exceptionally rare part of the history of the Third Reich. The market at this time has been growing steadily.

I hear all the stories about the fakes of the 50's, 60's and 70's, I was not in the hobby at these times, but Allach was probably saved from early fakers as it was relatively unknown, of extremely high quality and not as predominant in the market place as it is now. The Allach book is not perfect, but it is still good after all these years in identifying legitimate piece's. However it is not an all knowing publication and therefore should not be the only word in regards to Allach.
 
When looking at pieces, one has to recognize at this point and time not only the tightrope of breaks and repairs, but fake pieces. These fakes in most cases are easy to spot but the new attempts are getting more creative and it is only a matter of time before it gets more difficult. The people who are attempting these fakes are reading the same textbook.
 
So, when you take this into consideration, and look at the market you have to ask yourself what does not conform?. When you do that, you come up with the fakes and pieces purchased by the unsuspecting collector, and he is using a textbook in many cases to make that decision. But the textbook does not tell you how they were applied it only shows you legitimate marks and pieces, so now the textbook mark is the factor that the buyer is using for authentication, and the faker is using to undermine the collector.
 
The second issue is because these items were done by artisans that signed their pieces, and the artists worked for other manufacture's prior to the war and after, many of the commercial figures were done by those manufacturers as well. So what may look like an Allach piece at face value could be Rosenthal, Nymphenburg, Eschenbach or another manufacture. A trained eye can spot the difference pretty quickly, but these pieces are being altered and the marks amended to reflect an Allach piece. In one particular case an original Allach mold was used by two separate manufacturers post war and they applied their own marks.
 
The largest scam ever put forth in the Allach community has been The Adolf Hitler dinnerware, which got by so long without scrutiny that it deserves its own page.
 
The bottom line is, the collector's need to take great care, especially when it pertains to simple manufacture pieces such as plates and bowls.

Allach Fakes
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Allach porcelain has always been a good hobby but with very little in the way of reference material. The one most recognized publication has been the Passmore /Oliver book which listed something like five different marks. One of those marks shown is found on only one piece. If you add in a couple deviations and the early baroque style you probably have about eight in all. They are as follows:

  1. Baroque with green runes
  2. Octagon with green runes and the word Ullach
  3. Octagon with green runes and without the word Ullach
  4. Octagon with impressed runes and the word Ullach
  5. Octagon with impressed runes without the word Ullach
  6. Impressed runes without the octagon
  7. Impressed runes without octagon and the word Ullach
  8. A piece which bears variant black runes and attributed to a plate
Although this book is limited in information it has no doubt saved many people money on bad pieces, and at the same time hindered fakers; and it may have blown up a deal on a legitimate piece for that matter. But it is this textbook that is still the guide for the Allach collector when it comes to markings and information.

Allach in the last ten years has gathered a lot of attention, men buy it to display, or for their wives; the internet has paved the way for these pieces to come to the forefront as a valued and exceptionally rare part of the history of the Third Reich. The market at this time has been growing steadily.

I hear all the stories about the fakes of the 50's, 60's and 70's, I was not in the hobby at these times, but Allach was probably saved from early fakers as it was relatively unknown, of extremely high quality and not as predominant in the market place as it is now. The Allach book is not perfect, but it is still good after all these years in identifying legitimate piece's. However it is not an all knowing publication and therefore should not be the only word in regards to Allach.
 
When looking at pieces, one has to recognize at this point and time not only the tightrope of breaks and repairs, but fake pieces. These fakes in most cases are easy to spot but the new attempts are getting more creative and it is only a matter of time before it gets more difficult. The people who are attempting these fakes are reading the same textbook.
 
So, when you take this into consideration, and look at the market you have to ask yourself what does not conform?. When you do that, you come up with the fakes and pieces purchased by the unsuspecting collector, and he is using a textbook in many cases to make that decision. But the textbook does not tell you how they were applied it only shows you legitimate marks and pieces, so now the textbook mark is the factor that the buyer is using for authentication, and the faker is using to undermine the collector.
 
The second issue is because these items were done by artisans that signed their pieces, and the artists worked for other manufacture's prior to the war and after, many of the commercial figures were done by those manufacturers as well. So what may look like an Allach piece at face value could be Rosenthal, Nymphenburg, Eschenbach or another manufacture. A trained eye can spot the difference pretty quickly, but these pieces are being altered and the marks amended to reflect an Allach piece. In one particular case an original Allach mold was used by two separate manufacturers post war and they applied their own marks.
 
The largest scam ever put forth in the Allach community has been The Adolf Hitler dinnerware, which got by so long without scrutiny that it deserves its own page.
 
The bottom line is, the collector's need to take great care, especially when it pertains to simple manufacture pieces such as plates and bowls.

Allach Fakes

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